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Post by grasshopa on Nov 5, 2006 20:54:00 GMT -5
*breaks out and gets up on soap box* I have been hearing people (including myself) throwing around the word "fascist" more and more lately. Especially when it comes to us and what we do. I'm TIRED of it! To that end, I will provide the definition to fascist/fascism by three respected dictionaries. http://www.dictionary.com: "1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism." www.m-w.com (Merriam-Webster): "1 often capitalized: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition" dictionary.cambridge.org/ (Cambridge) "a political system based on a very powerful leader, state control and extreme pride in country and race, and in which political opposition is not allowed" Now I ask those who call, not only, The SAFER hierarchy, but, the volunteers as well...does this sound even remotely like us? I think not! We are not government. We do not prohibit the speech of others. We do not use lies and other disrespectful tactics to get our point across. So next time you decide you want to use the word fascist, please know exactly what you’re saying to keep from looking like a fool. A humble volunteer ;D Mike |
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Post by Guest on Nov 16, 2006 13:42:40 GMT -5
Well... can I just say... By the definition you just gave, you can no longer call the US government a fascist. As much as I hate Bush, he is not a dictator, I'm sure he'd love to be, but he doesn't have all the power. Mmmm and typically republicans stand more for themselves that their nation or community, so there goes that one too... And by law political opposition is allowed within boundries... and morals of course... just remember that the next time you start throwing around the word fascist, you wouldn't wanna start "looking like a fool"
Oh and by the way... this SAFERchoice thing is a joke... you're argument for legalizaion is that it's safer than alchohol?? you've got to be kidding me. I'm all for legalization, I logged onto this site thinking there was actually a good idea behind it, all I see are a bunch of uneducated pot-heads who just wanna get high, and think the governement is out to stamp on their rights.... GROW UP!!!
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Post by greenteam on Nov 17, 2006 13:16:13 GMT -5
I am proud to live in a free country and able to speak my mind where and when I please. I am so very happy to know that the Bill of Rights (even though it’s powers have been somewhat eroded by the current administration) exists in this nation. I realize that this country is NOT built into a fascist framework and I am oh so happy for that fact…. But I agree… anyone who tosses the term “fascist” around like a nail at someone who speaks there mind on an issue is considered in my book ridiculous and has lost almost all creditability.
However, I do NOT agree with guest's SWEEPING generalization that everyone who has contributed to this campaign and this forum is an “uneducated pot-head.” I also find it hard to believe that you truly are for legalization when you start off your rant against the site by saying “this SAFERchoice thing is a joke” and then later say “I logged onto this site thinking there was actually a good idea behind it.”
If you already knew that SAFER choice was an advocate for marijuana law reform (and I really do not know how you could have found this site if you didn't already realize its premise) running behind the premise that alcohol does cause more damage to society and its members than marijuana and seriously thought there “was actually a good idea behind it” then I question how, with all the information provided through out this site, society, and its ridiculously hypocritical alcoholic majority could you refute that marijuana IS safer than alcohol?
I beg you to enlighten us “uneducated pot-heads” with YOUR reasons behind wanting the legalization of marijuana. After all, if we are sincerely in the wrong on this issue should you not feel compelled to sway us with facts and help us to see why we are wrong instead of merely insulting us while you hide in the "guest" guise?
I find no stable argument behind your allegations because they are presented without any facts and seem to be based off of an uninformed stretch of imagination… BUT... I could be wrong… PLEASE!!!!… inform us… show us the way oh great master of cannabis law reform!!! ….but until you do… I think you are the one who comes off “looking like a fool.”
hmm… Doug = “Guest”?
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Post by Adam on Nov 17, 2006 14:00:45 GMT -5
Oh and by the way... this SAFERchoice thing is a joke... you're argument for legalizaion is that it's safer than alchohol?? you've got to be kidding me. I'm all for legalization, I logged onto this site thinking there was actually a good idea behind it, all I see are a bunch of uneducated pot-heads who just wanna get high, and think the governement is out to stamp on their rights.... GROW UP!!! Wow, he must see a whole lot more on my message board than I do.. All I see are just a very few posts and mostly links to other things going on in the news and a few pictures. I must have missed all the uneducated pot heads and all their comments. |
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Post by grasshopa on Nov 19, 2006 1:23:01 GMT -5
Oh and by the way... this SAFERchoice thing is a joke... you're argument for legalizaion is that it's safer than alchohol?? you've got to be kidding me. I'm all for legalization, I logged onto this site thinking there was actually a good idea behind it, all I see are a bunch of uneducated pot-heads who just wanna get high, and think the governement is out to stamp on their rights.... GROW UP!!! Wow, he must see a whole lot more on my message board than I do.. All I see are just a very few posts and mostly links to other things going on in the news and a few pictures. I must have missed all the uneducated pot heads and all their comments. That is really interesting! I, a CCD/MSCD, broadcasting student, come here and post and I know other STUDENTS who are part of the movement and post here. I, also, think that being part of the movement is a learning process. In my humble opinion, you cannot be part of it and NOT learn. So I'd like to see allllll the uneducated 'pot head' masses that come here and post. To the author I ask: You appear to think that the present day government is noble and has only the best interests of Americans at heart. Why is it that now you can be arrested, taken to jail, given NO phone call, NO lawyer, held indefinitely without officially being charged and not taken before a judge within 72 hours? Or, Why is it that the Supreme Court has abandon EVERY 1st amendment decision its ever made since the 50s? Those are just TWO of our many, many civil rights that being taken away at an alarming rate. Is MY government trying to 'stamp' out my civil rights...YOU BET! That was never so clear to me as it was this past summer when I was repeatedly squelched and shut up in the name of righteousness when I was signature collecting! What it comes down to is that if you message isn't liked then you can be shut up, locked up and prosecuted for exercising your first amendment rights to free speech. Fascist is the least of what our government IS. Mike |
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Post by greenteam on Nov 19, 2006 7:51:38 GMT -5
preach it mike!
POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!
--- even people who want to ingest a harmless plant?
(YESSSSSSS!!! even the green people!!)
Now I'll let these great men have a go at the podium
"Prohibition makes crimes out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded." -- Abraham Lincoln
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. "
Ben Franklin
"The prestige of government has been lowered considerably by the prohibition law, nothing is more destructive of government than passing laws that cannot be enforced" --- Albert Einstein
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Post by grasshopa on Nov 19, 2006 11:15:16 GMT -5
preach it mike! POWER TO THE PEOPLE!! --- even people who want to ingest a harmless plant? (YESSSSSSS!!! even the green people!!) Now I'll let these great men have a go at the podium "Prohibition makes crimes out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded." -- Abraham Lincoln "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. " Ben Franklin "The prestige of government has been lowered considerably by the prohibition law, nothing is more destructive of government than passing laws that cannot be enforced" --- Albert Einstein Thanks GT! ;D Can I get a AMEN (or several) ROFLMAO INDEED, power to the people!! That is what this country was supposed to be founded on. As I stated in a earlier post this country was taken away from the people who were here first to give "freedom" to all. Now, what I see is a select few (anyone in the gov't) who have all the power and continue to surpress, surplant, and all around usurp the power of the people by systemactily taking away each and every one of our civil rights until we're no different than 1940s Russia. I've heard the Benjamin Franklin quote but I hadn't heard the others. See? This is exactly what I'm talking about. I, being the smart person I am, just learned something new. Grant it we're not here so much to learn as we are to create change but I think it's, not only, possible , but probable to do both at the same time. I think it's a pretty far leap to equate ignorance to pot smoking and vise versa. Mike Ps Not bad for a stupid pot head huh?   ;D  |
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Post by jhelion on Nov 19, 2006 14:16:18 GMT -5
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Post by greenteam on Nov 19, 2006 16:16:42 GMT -5
Ahh well, that is very disappointing to find it has the possibility of being fabricated --- but allow me to make up for it by posting quotes from the man that have been proven to be authentic and I think ring true in our current situation today.
"The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country." -- Lincoln's Second Annual Message to Congress, December 1, 1862.
"What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried?" -- Lincoln's Cooper Institute Address, February 27, 1860.
"The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it shall not deter me."
---The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume I, "Speech on the Sub-Treasury" (in the Illinois House of Representatives, December 26, 1839), p. 178.
"Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves; and, under a just God, can not long retain it." --- The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Letter To Henry L. Pierce and Others" (April 6, 1859), p. 376.
And I think this last quote is best used in any situation in which freedom has been ripped away from members of our society. I think it is the best and only way our cause will be listened to.
"When the conduct of men is designed to be influenced, persuasion, kind, unassuming persuasion, should ever be adopted. It is an old and a true maxim, that a 'drop of honey catches more flies than a gallon of gall.'"
-- February 22, 1842 - Temperance Address of Springfield, Illinois
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